Fury vs. Wilder IV?? What about History?

[Willow The Wisp]

This is the History section, so let's explore the historical ramifications of Tyson Fury reportedly selecting long time nemesis Wilder as his next opponent.
First, I'll rush to point out that pre-signing news is very often BS, and almost always a boring waste of time.
Nevertheless, I want to get in a comment on this matchup before it turns to dust, as so many of these "news scoops" do.

So Andy Ruiz Jr has encouraged some standard, life savings draining legal issues that may reder him unavailable.
The talk has now become a fourth meeting between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder.

Is Wilder a worthy opponent? Yes, without a doubt. He's givin Fury two wars, knocked him down 4 times and efficiently out once, depending on your stopwatch accuracy. He's held him to a draw in one of their three encounters; and performances over time have placed him a full level over contemporaries Anthony Joshua, Andy Ruiz, Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Joyce and Zhilei Zhang.
Fans might argue some of the latter claim, but experts can not.

But is Wilder IV a mistake for team Fury if the intention is optimally crafting your legacy and dominating your era?
Most definitely!

While their series has been the Ali-Frazier or Holyfield-Bowe of this era, you have to look at the 2-0-1 results in favor of Fury as a "been there, done that" proposition.
The excitement of their series, the Lazarus act in the first battle, the surprising dominance of the 2nd and the return to form for Wilder in the 3rd chapter; very much a classic edition to the long and rich history of the sport. But it's HISTORY. It's been done, and done again, and again. Literally.

Unless I'm mistaken. What the public would much, much rather see, in no particular order is:

Fury vs. Joshua I
Wilder vs. Joshua I
Fury vs. Usyk I
Fury vs. Zhang I (in China)
Fury vs. Ruiz I
Wilder vs. Ruiz I
Fury vs. Joyce I
Wilder vs. Joyce I
Fury vs. Hrgovic I
Joshua vs. Joyce I
Joshua vs. Zhang I
Fury vs. Anderson I (when ripened)

....And there may be More!

How should today's big boys play it out?

[Marchegiano]

Fury and Wilder always put on a good fight, imo.

Can't argue with that list, but I think it's more the intrigue of what might happen that makes most those fights more interesting. Zhang, Joyce, and Hrgovic are kind of boring, imo, and since Fury put on some stinkers himself I wouldn't be shocked if they were boring fights. I could see Fury turning Ruiz into a Chisora style showing too. Usyk is pretty exciting because he's so undersized compared to other HWs. Joshua is a decently fun fighter.

I mean ... at least Wilder's guaranteed excitement. Not saying you're wrong, you are not, but silver lining is it's not a boring fight. Absolutely every one of their fights was fun to watch and there is no promise any of those would be, some of them I'd half expect it, others I don't.

[Slugfester]

It will not tarnish Fury's legacy much right now. But as fans we need further looks against the very crew you specify. He cannot do much to further his legacy by fighting Wilder again. People like us, writing letters in forums of the future, and their evaluations, may take a different view! That is settled. He is better than Wilder. Period. That has been clearly shown with nearly the certainly of the Periodic Table, IMHO.

But Fury's ego is massive like himself. Like many delusional boxers before him, he figures he has done enough already to cement the top dog legacy for a long time, maybe forever. However, he leaves too many question marks to achieve consensus or anything near it, as Ali achieved, who really only left one question mark by ducking the Foreman rematch, and he had already smashed the invincible Foreman they said would kill him. So he did not even completely duck George, did he?

The blubber factory still needs to defeat Usyk, most crucially. With his skills, Usyk is capable of lashing anyone's legacy to rags of paper. Fury is extraordinarily good too. I just watched all three fights again night before last. Fury throws some of the best feints I have seen. I would watch a highlight reel of just his feints. He is smart and adaptable. But you have to prove what you assume is in your legacy. It may not be yet, as in Fury's case.

[GhostofDempsey]

I have no desire to see them fight again. The last two fights were a one-sided affair. I also have no respect for Wilder and his 40 excuses for losing. Fury just needs to unify the title and fight Usyk already. Let’s get an undisputed champion at HW.

[kara]

I doubt they fight a fourth time..... unless there is a ton of money on the table

[Willow The Wisp]

I doubt they fight a fourth time..... unless there is a ton of money on the table

I hope not. Fury needs fresh faces on his resume because his headcount isn't even quite caught up to Wilder and Joshua's just yet, to say nothing of the Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis and W. Klitschko hit lists. I think Usyk and Joshua's names are mandatory to check off before Fury checks out of the game, and the fertile division offers pleny of excellent opportunities to build well onto that if he chooses to.

[max baer]

It will not tarnish Fury's legacy much right now. But as fans we need further looks against the very crew you specify. He cannot do much to further his legacy by fighting Wilder again. People like us, writing letters in forums of the future, and their evaluations, may take a different view! That is settled. He is better than Wilder. Period. That has been clearly shown with nearly the certainly of the Periodic Table, IMHO.

But Fury's ego is massive like himself. Like many delusional boxers before him, he figures he has done enough already to cement the top dog legacy for a long time, maybe forever. However, he leaves too many question marks to achieve consensus or anything near it, as Ali achieved, who really only left one question mark by ducking the Foreman rematch, and he had already smashed the invincible Foreman they said would kill him. So he did not even completely duck George, did he?

The blubber factory still needs to defeat Usyk, most crucially. With his skills, Usyk is capable of lashing anyone's legacy to rags of paper. Fury is extraordinarily good too. I just watched all three fights again night before last. Fury throws some of the best feints I have seen. I would watch a highlight reel of just his feints. He is smart and adaptable. But you have to prove what you assume is in your legacy. It may not be yet, as in Fury's case.

spot on. the only thing is that fury may feel deep inside that he aches and hurts and cannot do it as fast and yet he wants to please the fans. as anyone here who boxes will attest that as they enter their mid thirties they suffer joint pain and maybe mental issues etc.
fury may be torn between pleasing the fans and enjoying the celebrations he feels when he wins a huge fight (which must be extremely exciting and pleasing) with his physical deterioration and nagging injuries. when iron mike was in his pomp he had only started pro fighting a few years befor but fury has being fighting in 3 decades now.

[Slugfester]

With every passing day Fury becomes more vulnerable to Usyk. The Ukrainian has the ability to make Fury work very hard, with the right strategy and tactics. He might win some dead rounds by only rushing in a few times and landing several good punches.

Fury's roundhouse right is an ear breaker. Once he cracks an eardrum, his opponent's equilibrium is seriously compromised. That seems the main punch Usyk must watch out for. Too far inside and Fury's roundhouse is even hard to notice coming, because Fury's arms are so long and he puts so much curve on it. I imagine Fury will come in light for this one--in the 255-260 range. He will need a good strategy, because Usyk is not coming to him.

If this fight ever happens, given all the circumstances, I would pick Usyk. Fury will delay too long and cost himself. I count on his gargantuan ego for this.

[max baer]

With every passing day Fury becomes more vulnerable to Usyk. The Ukrainian has the ability to make Fury work very hard, with the right strategy and tactics. He might win some dead rounds by only rushing in a few times and landing several good punches.

Fury's roundhouse right is an ear breaker. Once he cracks an eardrum, his opponent's equilibrium is seriously compromised. That seems the main punch Usyk must watch out for. Too far inside and Fury's roundhouse is even hard to notice coming, because Fury's arms are so long and he puts so much curve on it. I imagine Fury will come in light for this one--in the 255-260 range. He will need a good strategy, because Usyk is not coming to him.

If this fight ever happens, given all the circumstances, I would pick Usyk. Fury will delay too long and cost himself. I count on his gargantuan ego for this.

fury usually knows the best way to get one over on whatever men stand in front of him. he figures it out while in there like a great comedian always has the right comeback in an arguement. he works out what he needs to do hence why he has beaten slippery cruiserweights like cunnigham and bigger knockout masters like wilder and skilled boxers like otto wallin. he works out what to do. the only hope his opponent has is age catches up with him. that is a boxers saddest day when he has to accept that fact.

[QueensburyRules]

This is the History section, so let's explore the historical ramifications of Tyson Fury reportedly selecting long time nemesis Wilder as his next opponent.
First, I'll rush to point out that pre-signing news is very often BS, and almost always a boring waste of time.
Nevertheless, I want to get in a comment on this matchup before it turns to dust, as so many of these "news scoops" do.

So Andy Ruiz Jr has encouraged some standard, life savings draining legal issues that may reder him unavailable.
The talk has now become a fourth meeting between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder.

Is Wilder a worthy opponent? Yes, without a doubt. He's givin Fury two wars, knocked him down 4 times and efficiently out once, depending on your stopwatch accuracy. He's held him to a draw in one of their three encounters; and performances over time have placed him a full level over contemporaries Anthony Joshua, Andy Ruiz, Oleksandr Usyk, Joe Joyce and Zhilei Zhang.
Fans might argue some of the latter claim, but experts can not.

But is Wilder IV a mistake for team Fury if the intention is optimally crafting your legacy and dominating your era?
Most definitely!

While their series has been the Ali-Frazier or Holyfield-Bowe of this era, you have to look at the 2-0-1 results in favor of Fury as a "been there, done that" proposition.
The excitement of their series, the Lazarus act in the first battle, the surprising dominance of the 2nd and the return to form for Wilder in the 3rd chapter; very much a classic edition to the long and rich history of the sport. But it's HISTORY. It's been done, and done again, and again. Literally.

Unless I'm mistaken. What the public would much, much rather see, in no particular order is:

Fury vs. Joshua I
Wilder vs. Joshua I
Fury vs. Usyk I
Fury vs. Zhang I (in China)
Fury vs. Ruiz I
Wilder vs. Ruiz I
Fury vs. Joyce I
Wilder vs. Joyce I
Fury vs. Hrgovic I
Joshua vs. Joyce I
Joshua vs. Zhang I
Fury vs. Anderson I (when ripened)

....And there may be More!

How should today's big boys play it out?

- - History be recording the biggest train wreck in slo-mo since Tyson married Givens and signed with DKing.

Tyson gonna be Tyson, so fill your cooler and enjoy the tragic comedy.