How Good Was Frank Childs?

[Ivich]

He lost a reported fight to Jim Jeffries. He was pretty much washed up by 1901 The loss to Martin and Johnson happed after he was 35 and used up. A good, but not great fighter from the 1890's.

Childs was the reigning Colored Champion when the 16 fight Johnson stopped him.

[Willow The Wisp]

Ivich, what is your W-L-D record against Dr. Z at this point? You seem to be racking up the scalps.

[Dr. Z]

There have been at least 5 biographies of Jeffries plus 2 ghosted auto biographies NONE say this fight happened.
Stop trying to pad Jeffries record against black fighters.. CBZ says the fight was reported but not confirmed it says the same about possible fights with Kid Cotton and Denver Ed Martin.In neither Jeffries,,Childs,Cotton, or Martin's resume's are these fights mentioned .ie They did NOT happen.
We know Martin challenged Jeffries,we know he had the backing of a promoter who offered Jeffries a $15,000 guarantee we know Jeffries turned it down,just as he turned down challenges from McVey and Johnson.Just stop with the BS!

Just because box rec does not list it means nothing. They are missing 1,000's of matches. Got it? In the case of Childs and Martin both men are listed in old versions or ring record books and new papers report it. Today we lack a news paper writeup, that is the issue. Hence the fight has been reported today, but not confirmed.

Many fighters can claim a listing of news paper offer, but in Marin's case it was way below what Jeffries was getting. It means nothing. Martin had a glass jaw ( many early Ko's against ) and McVey was a teenager! Needless to say Fitzsimmons and Corbett were better fighters and more famous fighters that came up with a bigger gate and cash for Jeffries. This is prize fighting and the gate and money made back then meant a lot. Your double standards are infamous here. Maybe by 1904-1905 Jeffries could have fought another. But Mcvey was still very young, and Martin gave up boxing being for a while. Look it up. A Jack Johnson fight might have happed in 1905 if he had beaten Hart but, that did not happen nor was there a Reno like purse for the fight back then.

You remain an ignorant double standard fool.

[Ivich]

Ivich, what is your W-L-D record against Dr. Z at this point? You seem to be racking up the scalps.

47-0-0 22 kos ,18 mods rescued him, 7 wins via dsq

[Willow The Wisp]

47-0-0 22 kos ,18 mods rescued him, 7 wins via dsq

Lol....thats my man. No worries Z, I respect you too.

[Ivich]

Just because box rec does not list it means nothing. They are missing 1,000's of matches. Got it? In the case of Childs and Martin both men are listed in old versions or ring record books and new papers report it. Today we lack a news paper writeup, that is the issue. Hence the fight has been reported today, but not confirmed.

Many fighters can claim a listing of news paper offer, but in Marin's case it was way below what Jeffries was getting. It means nothing. Martin had a glass jaw ( many early Ko's against ) and McVey was a teenager! Needless to say Fitzsimmons and Corbett were better fighters and more famous fighters that came up with a bigger gate and cash for Jeffries. This is prize fighting and the gate and money made back then meant a lot. Your double standards are infamous here. Maybe by 1904-1905 Jeffries could have fought another. But Mcvey was still very young, and Martin gave up boxing being for a while. Look it up. A Jack Johnson fight might have happed in 1905 if he had beaten Hart but, that did not happen nor was there a Reno like purse for the fight back then.

You remain an ignorant double standard fool.

Where can we see one of these reports?
Which Ring record books list fights between them?
Which news papers reported these fights?
Why would Jeffries auto biographies not list them? Jeffries was offered a guaranteed $15,000 to defend against Martin,thats more than he got for defending against both Finnegan and Munroe.

Wouldn't Johnson,Martin, and McVey have been worthier opponents that Finnigan and Munroe?
Money wasn't the problem, the challengers colour was. Martin was a longtime sparring partner for both Ruhlin and Fitzsimmons.reporters who watched him spar against Ruhlin speculated that if they fought for real .he might beat Gus.
McVey was 19years old and 205lbs Jeffries ignored his challenge which was again accompanied by a guarantee from a promoter McVey challenged Jeffries at a later date and was again ignored.
Before Johnson fought Hart, Jeffries stated repeatedly that ,if Johnson won,which he expected him to, he would never defend against him or any other black man.
"I will never take a chance on.losing my title to a black man."
"When there are no more white challengers to fight I shall retire."

Martin was the Colored Champ when Johnson beat him Jeffries ducked them both, and McVey,there is simply no argument about that.

[Dr. Z]

Where can we see one of these reports?
Which Ring record books list fights between them?
Which news papers reported these fights?
Why would Jeffries auto biographies not list them? Jeffries was offered a guaranteed $15,000 to defend against Martin,thats more than he got for defending against both Finnegan and Munroe.

Wouldn't Johnson,Martin, and McVey have been worthier opponents that Finnigan and Munroe?
Money wasn't the problem, the challengers colour was. Martin was a longtime sparring partner for both Ruhlin and Fitzsimmons.reporters who watched him spar against Ruhlin speculated that if they fought for real .he might beat Gus.
McVey was 19years old and 205lbs Jeffries ignored his challenge which was again accompanied by a guarantee from a promoter McVey challenged Jeffries at a later date and was again ignored.
Before Johnson fought Hart, Jeffries stated repeatedly that ,if Johnson won,which he expected him to, he would never defend against him or any other black man.
"I will never take a chance on.losing my title to a black man."
"When there are no more white challengers to fight I shall retire."

Martin was the Colored Champ when Johnson beat him Jeffries ducked them both, and McVey,there is simply no argument about that.

Jeffries ducked Martin you say? Haha. The early version of ring record books list the fight you dope! What fighters say and what they do when a big purse is up matters. The never was a big push for Mcvey, the money wasn't secure, and he was 19. Very green and unskilled. Mcvey beat Martin who retired form boxing for a while, read the black dynamite series.


Jeffries said he started boxing in 1893 and obvisouly is missing fights today. Get your racy mind out of the gutter. Mr. double standard.

[Dr. Z]

Lol....thats my man. No worries Z, I respect you too.

Thanks. Like Walter Mitty we laugh at his fantasies. And he has been banned several times under different names.

[Ivich]

Thanks. Like Walter Mitty we laugh at his fantasies. And he has been banned several times under different names.

Unlike you I am not banned from any boxing forum, and I post on 5!

[Ivich]

Jeffries ducked Martin you say? Haha. The early version of ring record books list the fight you dope! What fighters say and what they do when a big purse is up matters. The never was a big push for Mcvey, the money wasn't secure, and he was 19. Very green and unskilled. Mcvey beat Martin who retired form boxing for a while, read the black dynamite series.


Jeffries said he started boxing in 1893 and obvisouly is missing fights today. Get your racy mind out of the gutter. Mr. double standard.

Name which Ring Record Book lists the fight?Second time of asking. Which issue have you personally seen it in? Which volumes of Black Dynamite do you own?
The Black Dynamite series written by Kevin R Smith? The man who made his one and only appearance on Classic to tell you not to use his name when telling your lies?.
McVey was very green and unskilled? Was he? He'd had 18 fights, gone the distance with Johnson twice ,beaten Martin, Kid Carter and Fred Russell and was certainly more skilled than Munroe 7-2-0 and Finnigan 4-2-4!
No matter how much you squirm you cannot overcome the cold fact that Johnson,Martin and McVey,would all have been far better challengers for Jeffries title than those 2 dubs!

Jeffries v Munroe.
World Heavyweight Title.,
The battle was decided by the first big punch landed by Jeffries, a terrific left hook to the jaw that dropped Munroe for a count and from which he never recovered. (Jeff had refused bandages for his hands while Munroe wore them.) Referee Graney stepped between them to prevent Jeffries from administering any further punishment with Munroe insensible. [San Francisco Call]
Equals criminal mismatch!

Jeffries v Finnigan
"Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." (Brooklyn Daily Eagle)
Equals criminal mismatch!
The only qualifications these two no hopers had was the colour of their skin!