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    #31
    Originally posted by Tengoshi View Post
    It's hard to say what is legitimate and what isn't with Carnera. Mob corruption was a mainstay of his career and the only reason it took off in the first place.
    I've seen those fights though, and they look legitimate to me.

    His career was built up unlike anyone's before him (although much like most fighters' are today) with Carnera beating overmatched and perhaps at times paid off opposition, as well as receiving some gift decisions/disqualifications, but he did become a legit contender and later a champion.

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      #32
      Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
      I've seen those fights though, and they look legitimate to me.

      His career was built up unlike anyone's before him (although much like most fighters' are today) with Carnera beating overmatched and perhaps at times paid off opposition, as well as receiving some gift decisions/disqualifications, but he did become a legit contender and later a champion.
      The Sharkey fight was definitely legit in my opinion. Both Sharkey and his wife never wavered when asked if that fight was "on the level". Watching the fight I see no reason not to believe them.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Dynamite Glove View Post
        bruce seldon.
        If not one of the worst, you could put him atop the list of heavyweight champions with the least heart.

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          #34
          Hasim Rahman is the worst champion in history by a very long way

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            #35
            Tony Tubbs is always worth considering.

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              #36
              Tubbs is worth a mention, but he achieved more than some of the aforementioned.. Also had impressive hand speed for a corpulent fighter.. Rahman had the win over Louis & gave Tua a few problems, so I wouldn't deem him as the worst..

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                #37
                Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
                The Sharkey fight was definitely legit in my opinion. Both Sharkey and his wife never wavered when asked if that fight was "on the level". Watching the fight I see no reason not to believe them.
                Everyone ringside (including Nat Fleischer and others) described it as a trendemous knockout punch on Sharkey's jaw. I'm sure they would have noticed if Sharkey had taken a dive.

                Sharkey had also landed some of his best punches (similar to the ones he knocked Carnera down with in their first meeting) right before the knockout.

                I believe Sharkey was the better fighter but he was dealing with a huge difference in size and had also seemingly lost interest in boxing by the time the rematch happened.

                Ideal circumstances for a big upset.

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                  #38
                  Yeah, even do there is a dark cloud over Canera, and yes he was involved in ''Sketchey'' ''fixed'' fights. He wasn't quite as bad as some people make out.

                  He holds a legitimate KO victory over the much smaller Jack Sharkley for the heavyweight 1933-06-29, were even Jack said for years belive me it wasn't a fixed fight. Jack also held a win over him beating him on a UD and even scoring a knockdown in 1931 he also beat Tommy Loughran who weighed in at 186 to Carnera's 270 unbelivable size difference on 15 Rd decision.

                  And then came a fight against the roughed hard hitting Max Bear, in I fight which he showed plenty of heart and guts. To start things off early on in the fight, Max would wrestle Primo to floor and was fooling about with him, this would lead to primo breaking his ankle, but continued to fight taking abeating getting dropped 11 times but continued to get back up, until being tko'd in the 11. Do for parts of the fight he was outboxing Bear.

                  He also got up twice when Joe Louis knocked him down.

                  Now for me just off that performance alone he showed plenty of heart and courage. So maybe he was involed in some sketchey deal and maybe he was a circus act and was viewed by many as the worst hevayweight champion.

                  But Primo showed he had heart and courage, and did get two good wins even if they were over much smaller men, and if you watch the Joe Louis fight, early in the fight he showed a good long range jab. So even do yes there is a case for him being one of the worst ever heavyweight champions.

                  I think maybe people give him to much stick, when they hardly even do anything about him. And I do belive there has been worst champion than him, Bruce Seldon to name one.

                  Also Hall of Famer and former Jr Middlweight and Middlweight champion and Olympic gold medalist Nino Benvenuti said Primo was good man and a good fighter and will not have a wrong word said about him

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                    #39
                    Carnera was an extremely well-built man who possessed great strength and was quite mobile for such a large man; However, his chin was vulnerable to the type of power punch that the top heavyweight fighters were able to deliver

                    His punching was hindered somewhat by his heavy muscles but nevertheless he scored many knockouts due to his considerable strength and power; Primo began fighting in Europe and then migrated to the United States; Many observers felt that many of his wins were "fixed" due to some connections held by those managing him; This shadow of doubt has caused boxing people to question his true ability as a fighter

                    During his career, Carnera won the Heavyweight Championship of the World and defeated such men as Jack Sharkey, Tommy Loughran, George Godfrey, W.L. "Young" Stribling, Franz Diener, Paulino Uzcudun, Pierre Charles, Ernie Schaaf, King Levinsky, Vittorio Campolo, George Cook and Jose Santa





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                      #40
                      persnally if you ask me, no champion, is a bad champion, or worst champion

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