10 greatest title reigns

[talip bin osman]

I cracked out laughing when I read that... and I also did not notice...

(BTW I agree that I would not put Hopkins reign up there). Starting from mw, Monzon and Hagler should both be above (IMO of course).

i know why... hopkins was ranked high bcoz GBP owns THE*RING...

[dde91]

i know why... hopkins was ranked high bcoz GBP owns THE*RING...

because Hopkins owns the damn world

[genialus75]

because Hopkins owns the damn world

no. no. calzaghe owns hopkins.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

The non title bout with Esteban was held outside 135.

Giving a few pounds was acceptable in non title bouts. Both fighters were campaigning in the lightweight division. Its not a huge discrepancy, but Duran lost during his run as king. It has to be taken into consideration.

And regarding Hagler facing better competition, that is purely subjective. Hagler made 12 not 14 defenses according to this article.

My bad, I was thinking of Monzons defenses.

Every list is subjective and arguable. But if you keep an open mind I believe Hagler fought the tougher comp as a middleweight and as champion.

Im interested in hearing why you think or don't think Hopkins had the better middleweight run.

[JAB5239]

Ali's 2nd reign(74-78) included successful defenses against Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Jimmy Young and Earnie Shavers, so I believe that reign could gain a spot on that list.

To many close fights during his second reign in my opinion.

Salvador Sanchez 126 pound reign(80-82) included successful defenses against Wilfredo Gomwz, Azumah Nelson, Ruben Castillo, and Juan Laporte is also a possibility.
Alexis Arguello's 130 pound reign(78-81) included successful defenses against Castillo, Rolando Navarette, Bazooka Limon, Alfredo Escalera and Bobby Chacom

Both these reigns were impressive and exactly why these two are thought of as among, or the very best to fight in their respective weight classes. Nice picks!

[klipsch speaker]

Maybe THE RING writers were overwhelmed when Hopkins surged ahead Hagler and Monzon in terms of title defenses at 160. Dela Hoya and Trinidad were huge fights financially but it isnt really any better than Monzon beating Napoles. ODLH was from 130 for crying out loud! His win over Glenn Johnson remains in my book as his best win in this weight.

Really, Finito should be up right there behind Louis if this was a contest of being the highest number of title defenses regardless of quality of opposition with 21 and Khaosai Galaxy with 19... Definitely higher than Hopkins.

And oh yes Finito and Galaxy were undefeated in their title reigns while Hopkins got beaten by RJJ and Taylor back to back. Hagler and Monzon were not beaten back to back by the same fighter in their reigns am I correct?

[LondonRingRules]

Acording to "The Ring" April 2005 issue these are the 10 greatest title reigns of all time. do you agree, disagree? Why?

The 10 Greatest Title Reigns of All-Time

1.Joe Louis
2.Bernard Hopkins
3.Abe Attell
4.Carlos Monzon
5.Henry Armstrong
6.Ricardo Lopez
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Eusebio Pedroza
9.Larry Holmes
10.Archie Moore

** Of course Ring ain't really the Ring anymore, having gone through, what, a dozen editors since Fleischer passed in 70 and a couple of bankruptcies. Is 2005 is pre Golden Boy?

Joe Louis is so much head and shoulders of the rest that the rest hardly merits disagreements. Poppy's reign was pretty dire overall with the way he won the title up to Tito, but he hardly breaks through afterwards with Hakkar and the rest of that nonsense while passing on Jones and Calzaghe. His win over Pavlik *****s anything he ever did as a middleweight as far as legacy goes.

I dismiss Holmes for worse reasons, and at any rate, Calzaghe at very least matches anything Poppy and Big Lar ever had in a single division and didn't hang around to stink up the joint like they did.

Always thought JCChavez holds the record for consecutive title wins, but he was moving through the ABC ranks so I guess he don't pass the white glove and French snifter investigation.

The Ring overranks winning streaks against weak comp. Monzon, Hagler, and Duran were bulls in their day with dramatic bouts, and of course what Archie was doing on top of his age would #2 for me.

Jim Jeffries ruled with an iron hand in seminal bouts against legends in almost every bout which is always overlooked. Tyson had the most dramatic rise, reign, and fall that has ever been seen, and how about Willie Pep? Only one loss going into 150 fights and I thought it was non title, but I'll check later.

It bears remembering that Fleischer seems to have been the first to come up with a greatest list and his original heavy list was only 6 names. After being badgered incessantly it had grown to 20 by the time of his death.

Anywhoo, for me it's Louis first, Arch second, and let the rest scrap for rankings in an elimination tournament with medieval angels dancing on pinheads as judges. Judge Roy Bean as ref and the jurisdiction an island in the middle of the Rio Grande to prevent the Feds and Los Federales from spoiling the brouhahas.

[-CANE-]

Acording to "The Ring" April 2005 issue these are the 10 greatest title reigns of all time. do you agree, disagree? Why?

The 10 Greatest Title Reigns of All-Time

1.Joe Louis
2.Bernard Hopkins
3.Abe Attell
4.Carlos Monzon
5.Henry Armstrong
6.Ricardo Lopez
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Eusebio Pedroza
9.Larry Holmes
10.Archie Moore

Great Thread.

I haven't made a list but will do in the near future.

Just a couple of names that would need consideration, not saying they should be definates but worth considering all the same. Myung Woo Yuh, Kaosai Galaxy and Joe Calzaghe.

I certainly wouldn't have Hopkins that high.

[Squabbles94806]

only one name comes to mind...Joe Louis

[Slimey Limey]

Chavez should be #1 on that god damn list. He isn't even on it. I'd whipe my fookin arse with that list mate. They really screwed up with this one.