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    been watching some jersey joe walcott

    very very good fighter, robbed against louis in '47 and had an epic rivalry with charles, heavyweight champ at age 37

    i can see how he paved the way for guys like toney and floyd with his nice rolling defence and accurate countershots, hes definitely underrated

    ezzard charles was a superb fighter also....

    i highly recommend watching some walcott if you are a toney or floyd fan, toney himself has said he learnt a lot watching jersey joe

    #2
    Walcott was definitely a very capable boxer with wins over many great names.

    Jersey Joe came very close to having wins over Louis and Marciano, I can only imagine how high he would be ranked now if he had managed to beat them both.

    A compilation of his fights against Louis, Charles and Marciano:



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      #3
      Jersey Joe Walcott (Real Name Arnold Raymond Cream) was a great defensive fighter, who Hall Of Famer Pernell ''Sweet Pea'' Whitaker said was his favourite fighter and learned so much from Walcott.

      Born 1914-01-31, Walcott started his career out in 1930, with a KO win over Cowboy Frank Willis. After shining shoes in his teens years, he turned to boxing as a way out and to feed his family.

      Walcott had a hard patchy start, taking fights on short notice when ever he could to ear a buck etc. But a interesting story is that Jackie Blackburn as you may know him as the trainer of the great ''Joe Louis'' trained Walcott for a brief period before taking on Louis, things were going pretty well until Walcott fell sick and was out for a while and when he returned, Blackburn had-was training a young and hungry Joe Louis.

      This would lead to then Blackburn having Louis and Walcott spar, in which Walcott would manhandle Louis and even decking him, this this would lead to Walcott being kicked out the camp.

      After this more losses followed, and then luck would strike as a managment team, picked up Joe and let him train properly for fights etc.

      This would then lead to title shots the first one being against Joe Louis were he was robbed blind of his title but Walcott would not give up on his dream.

      After being TKO'd in 11 in the rematch by Louis, Walcott would then get another 2 title shots losing both to the great Ezzard Charles.

      And then finally on 1951-07-18 at Forbes Field, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States he would KO Ezzard Charles for the heavyweight championship of the world with a peach of a uppercut. the fight would be named 1951 Fight of the Year - Ring ****zine.

      He would make another defencse against Charles before meeting unbeaten Rocky Marciano in a fight in which he had dropped Marciano and was leading on all the scorecards going into the 13th, before being knocked out cold with a brutal blow. He would go on to get KO'D in the 1st in the rematch and the retire.

      .Held wins over Jimmy Bivins,Joey Maximx2,Elmer Ray,Ezzard Charlesx2 and Harold Johnson.

      .Gave himself name of Jersey Joe Walcott, due to that he wanted to be more reconisged, so called him after his Farther's Favourite fighter the great Orginal Joe Walcott.

      .Most early losess due to taking fights on short notice, needing money to feed his family.

      .If luck may have been on his side he may have held wins over Louis and Marcaino.

      After his boxing career he worked as a referee, his most famous assignment being the controversial Muhammad Ali-Sonny Liston rematch in Lewiston, Maine.

      He also was the head of the New Jersey State Boxing Commission during the 1970s and 1980s.

      Death Date-1994-02-25

      Birthplace: Merchantville, NJ
      Hometown: Camden, New Jersey, USA

      Officail Record-won 51 (KO 32) + lost 18 (KO 6) + drawn 2 = 71

      .Ranked number 66th hardest puncher of all time in the Ring 100 greatest pucnhers list, ahead of the likes of Ingemar Johansson, and Buddy Baer.

      .Bert Sugar ranked number 79 in his 100th greatest fighters list above the likes of Aaron Pryor, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr. ,James J.Jeffries, Salvador Sanchez, Bernard Hopkins and Wilfredo Gomez.

      Stance- Orthodox
      height 6′ 0″ / 183cm
      reach 74“ / 188cm
      rounds boxed 475 : KO% 45.07

      As Walcott once said ''I don't copy moves I invent them''
      Last edited by Southpaw16BF; 06-22-2009, 05:34 PM.

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        #4
        Toney always gives Walcott and Charles the highest respect, he sees them as his predecessors.

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          #5
          Originally posted by TheManchine View Post
          Jersey Joe came very close to having wins over Louis and Marciano, I can only imagine how high he would be ranked now if he had managed to beat them both.
          Take the politics out of the game, and he wins both fights.

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            #6
            Originally posted by ¿?枯葉剤¿? View Post
            Take the politics out of the game, and he wins both fights.
            I don't don't think politics had much to do with that blistering shot Marciano gave him in Walcott-Marciano I.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Knighte View Post
              I don't don't think politics had much to do with that blistering shot Marciano gave him in Walcott-Marciano I.
              It's a hard pill to swallow that politics had as much to do with winning a fight as having skills itself, at least that's how it was back then. Joe Louis may never have been champion if he didn't mold his "character" in a certain way. Plenty of fighters never became champion or fought in a championship due to politics, plain and simple.

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                #8
                Walcott was a great boxer, his style really was ahead of his time, Hopkins is also a fighter who uses quite a few of Jersy Joe's moves in the ring, the left hook he nailed Charles with in their third fight was one of the best I've seen and he definitely deserved the decision over Louis in their first fight, it's one of the worst robberies of all time from my perspective.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Silencers View Post
                  Walcott was a great boxer, his style really was ahead of his time, Hopkins is also a fighter who uses quite a few of Jersy Joe's moves in the ring, the left hook he nailed Charles with in their third fight was one of the best I've seen and he definitely deserved the decision over Louis in their first fight, it's one of the worst robberies of all time from my perspective.


                  yeah that robbery vs louis is awful

                  another thing i noticed about jersey joe was his physical strength, he often pushed opponents around in the clinches, seemed to pack a pretty heavy punch and had a very developed physique, especially considering he didnt have access to supplements and what not

                  combined with his skills that made a hell of a fighter

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by KostyaTszyu44 View Post
                    yeah that robbery vs louis is awful

                    another thing i noticed about jersey joe was his physical strength, he often pushed opponents around in the clinches, seemed to pack a pretty heavy punch and had a very developed physique, especially considering he didnt have access to supplements and what not

                    combined with his skills that made a hell of a fighter
                    Walcott wasn't the biggest heavyweight around but he definitely wasn't small, and as you said, was well build, he managed to outmuscle a lot of his opponents on the inside, he knew how to maneuver them.

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