James Toney Vs Michael Nunn

[Technical_Skill]

I just watched this fight after hearing about the hype for years, people were saying Nunn was killing toney then toney got lucky and caught Nunn with a shot. Thats totally not true, i dont understand why people cant tell the difference between landed punches and when a punch is actually being slipped. The compubox stats during the fight were having you believe nunn was hitting toney with summin like 50 punches a round , if you look at toney's face after the fight, he'd hardly been touched.

Nunn looked total class, but his jab werent landing on toney for the most part, the cleaner harder shots throughout the fight were landed by toney and toney hurt him several times on the fight up to the knockout.

For me toney stylistically had no right to win that fight, he was against a guy who was taller had a better reach, was evasive and had great boxing skills, not just in straight lines, but also with uppercuts and hooks. The reason Nunn lost the fight was because he couldnt keep toney on the outside enough, and toney proved that he is as good as it gets on the inside, slipping punches and hitting nunn with heavy right hands and body shots.

I had toney 6-4 up going into round 11 because nunn acutally wasnt landing many shots on toney, if you look closely enough, anyways, i just wanted other people opinions on this fight. I still dont know how toney was able to dodge most of those jabs and left hands from nunn, toney's movement was unreal, and he was 22 at the time and had only been a pro for 2 years.

For me it was a legendary performace, you take the michael nunn from that fight, and put him in against benn, eubank, collins, hopkins, i think he would have won comfortably. Toney won that fight on pure talent. I still dont understand how he stands still and doesnt get hit.

[uncle_rico]

I just watched this fight after hearing about the hype for years, people were saying Nunn was killing toney then toney got lucky and caught Nunn with a shot. Thats totally not true, i dont understand why people cant tell the difference between landed punches and when a punch is actually being slipped. The compubox stats during the fight were having you believe nunn was hitting toney with summin like 50 punches a round , if you look at toney's face after the fight, he'd hardly been touched.

Nunn looked total class, but his jab werent landing on toney for the most part, the cleaner harder shots throughout the fight were landed by toney and toney hurt him several times on the fight up to the knockout.

For me toney stylistically had no right to win that fight, he was against a guy who was taller had a better reach, was evasive and had great boxing skills, not just in straight lines, but also with uppercuts and hooks. The reason Nunn lost the fight was because he couldnt keep toney on the outside enough, and toney proved that he is as good as it gets on the inside, slipping punches and hitting nunn with heavy right hands and body shots.

I had toney 6-4 up going into round 11 because nunn acutally wasnt landing many shots on toney, if you look closely enough, anyways, i just wanted other people opinions on this fight. I still dont know how toney was able to dodge most of those jabs and left hands from nunn, toney's movement was unreal, and he was 22 at the time and had only been a pro for 2 years.

For me it was a legendary performace, you take the michael nunn from that fight, and put him in against benn, eubank, collins, hopkins, i think he would have won comfortably. Toney won that fight on pure talent. I still dont understand how he stands still and doesnt get hit.

agreed. excellent post, btw.

[LondonRingRules]

Toney won that fight on pure talent. I still dont understand how he stands still and doesnt get hit.

** No you don't understand, but at least you admit it.

Toney not the masterclass fighter you making him out to be. Nunn easily the more talented and educated fighter and he dominates Toney through 5 rounds, making him look like a grade B fighter with a good chin.

Nunn starts to cruise a bit which allows Toney to outwork him a couple of rounds at best.

Toney won the fight on guts and power. Nunn got too comfortable against the slower than next Christmas predictable Toney, and he paid the price. Credit to Toney, but he struggled immensely against Reggie Johnson and Mccallum later that year and Tiberi at the start of the next year, well before Jones and Griffin exposed him more.

Toney may have slipped a lot of punches, but plenty enough got through to make him punch drunk and delusional. You also have to wonder how much steroids affected his career and mentality.

Who in the history of sports has ever been busted for taking horse steroids for example?

[uncle_rico]

** No you don't understand, but at least you admit it.

Toney not the masterclass fighter you making him out to be. Nunn easily the more talented and educated fighter and he dominates Toney through 5 rounds, making him look like a grade B fighter with a good chin.

Nunn starts to cruise a bit which allows Toney to outwork him a couple of rounds at best.

Toney won the fight on guts and power. Nunn got too comfortable against the slower than next Christmas predictable Toney, and he paid the price. Credit to Toney, but he struggled immensely against Reggie Johnson and Mccallum later that year and Tiberi at the start of the next year, well before Jones and Griffin exposed him more.

Toney may have slipped a lot of punches, but plenty enough got through to make him punch drunk and delusional. You also have to wonder how much steroids affected his career and mentality.

Who in the history of sports has ever been busted for taking horse steroids for example?

> Toney not the masterclass fighter you making him out to be

yes he is. Defensively, there are not many you can put ahead of him.
His weight is his only problem.

Regarding the Nunn fight, we obviously saw two different fights. Imo, Nunn landed nothing heavy at all and certainly was not busy enough to have "dominated" the first 5 rounds.

Nunn didn't cruise, what happened was simply a matter of the better fighter coming on stronger as the fight went on. Nunn couldn't hurt toney. Nunn couldn't use his reach. Nunn couldn't land a big left. Nunn couldn't lay on the ropes and counter. So, what happened? He lost to the better fighter. Look, in any sport, the longer the comptetion, the better chance the more superior team will win. Same thing happened here. Took toney some time, but if you watch the fight, toney was just missing with HUGE shots in many rounds. Nunn's corner new what was gonna happen in the 9th or 10 and in the 11th, it happened.

I agree that Toney struggled against johnson, but felt he did very well against mccallum. Tiberi was busy, but didn't land anything serious. As for Griffin, I thought toney clearly won that fight. Even George Foreman was shocked at the outcome.

[-CANE-]

** No you don't understand, but at least you admit it.

Toney not the masterclass fighter you making him out to be. Nunn easily the more talented and educated fighter and he dominates Toney through 5 rounds, making him look like a grade B fighter with a good chin.

Nunn starts to cruise a bit which allows Toney to outwork him a couple of rounds at best.

Toney won the fight on guts and power. Nunn got too comfortable against the slower than next Christmas predictable Toney, and he paid the price. Credit to Toney, but he struggled immensely against Reggie Johnson and Mccallum later that year and Tiberi at the start of the next year, well before Jones and Griffin exposed him more.

Toney may have slipped a lot of punches, but plenty enough got through to make him punch drunk and delusional. You also have to wonder how much steroids affected his career and mentality.

Who in the history of sports has ever been busted for taking horse steroids for example?

We've had our disagreements London and quite a few but I'm with you on this Nunn made Toney look like an amatuer and I had him up and dominating through 7 rounds. He wasn't hurting Toney but was totally outclassing him. He got over confident and lazy and let Toney back into the fight. Nunn was also tiring from an accumaltion of Toneys pressure and punches and probably a little from taking the fight lightly and not training as hard as he could. He thought he was unbeatable and started to believe the hype about him and when this happens fighters don't train as hard and usually come unstuck. Same thing happened with Tyson. Credit to Toney though he stuck at it and fought his way back into the fight and finished it in style. Nunn after that loss would never be the same fighter again.

[Technical_Skill]

How did Nunn make toney look like an amtauter, look at toney's face there wasnt a mark on it He actually wasnt getting hit much at all, and was landing some brutal shots on nunn, nunn knew he was in a fight the moment the flicker jab he had wasnt landing, i score fights on LANDED punches, if you actually believe Nunn was landing constantly on toney you cant be serious.

Toney was getting Nunn to the body, to the head with the right hand, hurt him 2/3 times before the knockout, as toney said in the interview 'if you look i was slipping those punches, i can honestly say, Michael Nunn never hurt me'

London ring rules.............

James Toney looked like a grade B fighter, but he was slipping punches from the man in the 160 pound divsion at the time?

A 22 year Old guy who has been a pro for 2 years Knocks an unbeaten Michael Nunn the **** out, thats called boxing talent, nothing to do with steriods, unless you are insisting james toney took drugs his entire career.


Classic ****

[Technical_Skill]

Nunn didn't cruise, what happened was simply a matter of the better fighter coming on stronger as the fight went on. Nunn couldn't hurt toney. Nunn couldn't use his reach. Nunn couldn't land a big left. Nunn couldn't lay on the ropes and counter. So, what happened? He lost to the better fighter.

Totally agree.

[BennyST]

** No you don't understand, but at least you admit it.

Toney not the masterclass fighter you making him out to be. Nunn easily the more talented and educated fighter and he dominates Toney through 5 rounds, making him look like a grade B fighter with a good chin.

Nunn starts to cruise a bit which allows Toney to outwork him a couple of rounds at best.

Toney won the fight on guts and power. Nunn got too comfortable against the slower than next Christmas predictable Toney, and he paid the price. Credit to Toney, but he struggled immensely against Reggie Johnson and Mccallum later that year and Tiberi at the start of the next year, well before Jones and Griffin exposed him more.

Toney may have slipped a lot of punches, but plenty enough got through to make him punch drunk and delusional. You also have to wonder how much steroids affected his career and mentality.

Who in the history of sports has ever been busted for taking horse steroids for example?

lol

[BennyST]

How did Nunn make toney look like an amtauter, look at toney's face there wasnt a mark on it He actually wasnt getting hit much at all, and was landing some brutal shots on nunn, nunn knew he was in a fight the moment the flicker jab he had wasnt landing, i score fights on LANDED punches, if you actually believe Nunn was landing constantly on toney you cant be serious.

Toney was getting Nunn to the body, to the head with the right hand, hurt him 2/3 times before the knockout, as toney said in the interview 'if you look i was slipping those punches, i can honestly say, Michael Nunn never hurt me'

London ring rules.............

James Toney looked like a grade B fighter, but he was slipping punches from the man in the 160 pound divsion at the time?

A 22 year Old guy who has been a pro for 2 years Knocks an unbeaten Michael Nunn the **** out, thats called boxing talent, nothing to do with steriods, unless you are insisting james toney took drugs his entire career.


Classic ****

Hey TS, he wasn't the man at 160, he was the man...full stop. Most folks had him as the No. 1 P4P guy in the world at that time. I think everyone forgets that.

[jabsRstiff]

Hey TS, he wasn't the man at 160, he was the man...full stop. Most folks had him as the No. 1 P4P guy in the world at that time. I think everyone forgets that.

I certainly did not have Nunn at the lb4lb top at the time he lost to Toney.
Nunn was coming off a very bland stretch against welterweights like Starling & Curry, & a disappointing performance against Barkley.

Nunn was not doing much but keeping Toney at bay for the first 6 rounds. After that, Toney slowly closed the gap, & began slamming Nunn with neck-snapping right hands. These shots became more & more frequent with each passing round, until the awesome finish.

Toney proved he was better than Nunn, that night & years to follow.