RJJ vs Ezzard Charles LHW Title who wins?

[Brockton Lip]

You people aer ignorant and/or unable to take your fan goggles off your eyes... serisously.

Charles had only 3 losses against 175ers. TWO were avenged. ONE was at age 19 against a veteran with a record of 118-18-6.

If Jones had the bad luck of turning pro during WW2, he would have his fair share of losses, like all the greats of that era.

Records from the 90s are different from records from the 40s, which are in turn different from the records of old-timers.

Place Charles in the pampered world of today's boxing and he will not finish his career with 25 losses. Place Jones fighting to avoid starving every 3 weeks and you can kiss 49-1 goodbye.

Charles is simply put the best fighter to come out of one of the best crop of MW-SMW-LHWS ever, they fought each other on a monthly basis. And Charles was pretty much the master.

If Jones fought in the same world, he would probably face in one year: Toney, Hopkins, Eubank, Benn, McLellan, some of them a couple of times... Repeat next year. Now maybe you see the record a bit different.

Thank you.

[TheGreatA]

People who say Jones would win because old fighters are overrated have never seen Charles fight.
People who say Jones would lose because new fighters are overrated have probably never seen Charles fight either.
Jones has the edge on athleticism, Charles has the edge on technique.
I won't pick a winner because I honestly don't know enough about Charles.

The fights where he was at his best were never recorded on tape.
I have only seen the fights he has lost in against Marciano and Walcott.
I don't think I can judge him well enough from those performances where he was past his best.

I would like to see some good Charles fights from which I can judge him properly.

[sleazyfellow]

this is just a highlight(him at hw of course), but he still had KO power at hw.

[Tyson Jones]

If were talking pre ruiz jones, no middleweight to lhw beats him period. If were talking after ruiz jones. Charles has a great chance.

[Brockton Lip]

They say Ezzard Charles was never the same after he killed Sam Baroudi (from injuries in the ring). After this fight I'd still pick Charles to win, he was always an amazing fighter.

[them_apples]

how can people pick Charles on this one? Jones is so much quicker and more accurate than Charles. Watching that video he looks all clumbsy and awkward.

[Benny Leonard]

They say Ezzard Charles was never the same after he killed Sam Baroudi (from injuries in the ring). After this fight I'd still pick Charles to win, he was always an amazing fighter.

Bert Sugar was the first I actually heard say that. Since then, I've heard others say it as well, specifically from former trainers, fighters, and sports writers who actually saw him. They all seem to come to the conclusion, he lost the high aggressive/killer side to him to finish off opponents. Sugar Ray Robinson the same. You have to look at him prior to the fight to really see how feared he was, and remember that is key, he was said to be the most feared fighter at Light-Heavyweight.

For his losses, fighters back then fought so much they didn't take time off for injuries, let alone fatigue.

Jones Jr. should be looked at prior to Ruiz since he didn't look anything like himself afterwards and neither did Tarver when he did the same routine of gaining muscle weight and losing muscle weight in a short span at their age.

There are circumstances in everything and everybody should always look at all the facts and not just numbers. If one fighter loses, search out why...maybe he had the ****s that day and it took a lot out of him.

Unless people on this board have been thinking about this a long time, I don't know how you can just spit out a particular fighter that easy. My first thought was, holy ****, what a fight.

Remember, this is the same fighter that Marciano said in their first fight was when he realized what pain was really like...now imagine that **** on Jones Jr.

I give all the credit to Jones Jr., the man is one of the freakish fighters I ever seen, but all I am saying, if we take notes on what Charles did prior to killing someone, the man was knocking out slicksters like Archie Moore.

I would suggest we get enough video on Charles first before we right him off.

[TheGreatA]

Unless people on this board have been thinking about this a long time, I don't know how you can just spit out a particular fighter that easy. My first thought was, holy ****, what a fight.

Agreed. These are two of the top Light Heavyweights, two of the best ever p4p.

Both had similar accomplishments too, Jones' reign as a heavyweight champion wasn't much to talk about though compared to Ezzard's.

The big difference between these two is that while Jones is blamed for sometimes hand-picking his opposition, Ezzard should be criticized for giving way too MANY rematches. He beat Jersey Joe twice and gave him a third match and lost.
Not a very wise decision.

Charles fought Archie three times too, almost lost that last one but won all three.

Accomplishment-wise you might have to give it to Ezzard Charles, the amount of losses he had way past his best is why he is often ignored but if we can judge Charles from those losses then we should judge Roy Jones from the losses he had way past his best as well.

[them_apples]

Remember, this is the same fighter that Marciano said in their first fight was when he realized what pain was really like...now imagine that **** on Jones Jr.

except, Marciano - being slow as mud probably absorbed much more damage than he should have, Jones on the other hand would only get a minuscule amount of it.

[Tyson Jones]

Hell i'd pick roy jones to win a UD over Marciano as well in his prime. Just being honest and its my opinion. Ive seen charles fight many times. I'd still go with rj. Charles vs Rj at heavy though, thats even more intriguing.