Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[The Iron Man]

wooo Just found it again

[Sweet Pete]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. George Foreman
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Jack Johnson
9. Mike Tyson
10. Sonny Liston

HM: Frazier

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wooo Just found it again

Thats a good site cheers for that. According to that site Jeffries chest wasn't that big but in a book of mine I could swear it said 55in and the picture of him made him look huge in the chest area. I'll see if I can find any other sites and see what they've got.

Sweet Pete like your list that's good.

[The Iron Man]

Hurricain you see that guys list i posted? the one that uses a system like we used?

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Hurricain you see that guys list i posted? the one that uses a system like we used?

Yeah I did it good ain't it. I might incorporate it into my spreadsheet although I do disagree with some of his scoring.

[StarshipTrooper]

Okay! Here are the results of the round robin tournement. Once again I ran it on both Title Bout II and Datad Boxing. It consists of 21 fighters each fighting each of the others 5 times for a total of 100 fights each.

Poet


Title Bout II

Joe Louis 91- 9-0 81KO .910
Muhammed Ali 75-18-7 35KO .785
Jack Johnson 71-25-4 33KO .730
Rocky Marciano 69-30-1 63KO .695
Jack Dempsey 64-34-2 53KO .650
Larry Holmes 57-38-5 27KO .595
Evander Holyfield 58-39-3 51KO .595
Sonny Liston 59-41-0 46KO .590
Mike Tyson 53-44-3 45KO .545
Joe Frazier 54-45-1 46KO .545
Harry Wills 41-55-4 23KO .430
George Foreman 42-57-1 38KO .425
James Jeffries 40-58-2 35KO .410
Peter Jackson 39-60-1 18KO .395
Lennox Lewis 35-62-3 26KO .365
George Godfrey 34-62-4 29KO .360
James Corbett 29-61-10 15KO .340
Joe Walcott 30-64-6 18KO .330
Sam McVey 28-71-1 14KO .285
Rid**** Bowe 28-71-1 22KO .285
Joe Jeanette 21-76-3 6KO .225


Data Boxing

Muhammed Ali 91- 6-3 51KO .925
Jack Dempsey 74-25-1 41KO .745
Joe Frazier 71-24-5 36KO .735
Lennox Lewis 70-29-1 34KO .705
Jack Johnson 69-29-2 19KO .700
Larry Holmes 67-29-4 25KO .690
Joe Louis 66-31-3 38KO .675
George Foreman 53-44-3 26KO .545
Mike Tyson 50-45-5 16KO .525
James Jeffries 45-45-10 20KO .500
Rocky Marciano 47-51-2 26KO .480
Peter Jackson 40-51-9 12KO .445
Rid**** Bowe 42-54-4 18KO .440
James Corbett 42-56-2 12KO .430
Harry Wills 41-56-3 14KO .425
Sonny Liston 35-69-6 26KO .380
Evander Holyfield 34-60-6 14KO .370
Joe Jeanette 26-69-5 8KO .285
Joe Walcott 25-72-3 11KO .265
Sam McVey 16-80-4 5KO .180
George Godfrey 10-89-1 7KO .105

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Okay! Here are the results of the round robin tournement. Once again I ran it on both Title Bout II and Datad Boxing. It consists of 21 fighters each fighting each of the others 5 times for a total of 100 fights each.

Poet


Title Bout II

Joe Louis 91- 9-0 81KO .910
Muhammed Ali 75-18-7 35KO .785
Jack Johnson 71-25-4 33KO .730
Rocky Marciano 69-30-1 63KO .695
Jack Dempsey 64-34-2 53KO .650
Larry Holmes 57-38-5 27KO .595
Evander Holyfield 58-39-3 51KO .595
Sonny Liston 59-41-0 46KO .590
Mike Tyson 53-44-3 45KO .545
Joe Frazier 54-45-1 46KO .545
Harry Wills 41-55-4 23KO .430
George Foreman 42-57-1 38KO .425
James Jeffries 40-58-2 35KO .410
Peter Jackson 39-60-1 18KO .395
Lennox Lewis 35-62-3 26KO .365
George Godfrey 34-62-4 29KO .360
James Corbett 29-61-10 15KO .340
Joe Walcott 30-64-6 18KO .330
Sam McVey 28-71-1 14KO .285
Rid**** Bowe 28-71-1 22KO .285
Joe Jeanette 21-76-3 6KO .225


Data Boxing

Muhammed Ali 91- 6-3 51KO .925
Jack Dempsey 74-25-1 41KO .745
Joe Frazier 71-24-5 36KO .735
Lennox Lewis 70-29-1 34KO .705
Jack Johnson 69-29-2 19KO .700
Larry Holmes 67-29-4 25KO .690
Joe Louis 66-31-3 38KO .675
George Foreman 53-44-3 26KO .545
Mike Tyson 50-45-5 16KO .525
James Jeffries 45-45-10 20KO .500
Rocky Marciano 47-51-2 26KO .480
Peter Jackson 40-51-9 12KO .445
Rid**** Bowe 42-54-4 18KO .440
James Corbett 42-56-2 12KO .430
Harry Wills 41-56-3 14KO .425
Sonny Liston 35-69-6 26KO .380
Evander Holyfield 34-60-6 14KO .370
Joe Jeanette 26-69-5 8KO .285
Joe Walcott 25-72-3 11KO .265
Sam McVey 16-80-4 5KO .180
George Godfrey 10-89-1 7KO .105

Very interesting poet and I have to say I think that Data Boxing is closer in terms of accuracy than Title Bout II but IMO both are way off.

I wonder if we did this ourselves how would be all have it.

[StarshipTrooper]

Check out the number of stoppages on each program. You'll notice TBII has a lot more than DB. Also check out were DB has Joe Frazier ranked!!! Tyson, on the other hand, has an almost identical record between the two programs; but in TBII he has 45 stoppages but in DB only 16!!

Poet

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Check out the number of stoppages on each program. You'll notice TBII has a lot more than DB. Also check out were DB has Joe Frazier ranked!!! Tyson, on the other hand, has an almost identical record between the two programs; but in TBII he has 45 stoppages but in DB only 16!!

Poet

At the end of the day it only goes on what data was put into each program and the ratings given to each fighter are subjective.

Personally I can't see how in Title Bout II Lennox Lewis would only have 35 victories out of 100 fights against 20 opponents. Sure he would have some losses and I expect you and many others to disagree with what I'm about to say but I think Lennox would come out either 1st or 2nd. I mean I know when we normally compare fighters we try and put them in the same era with the same level of training etc, but these programs take them as the actual size and weight they really were. An at 6'5 with his speed and power and technical brilliance Lennox Lewis would demolish the vast majority and in the fights against more modern fighters like Tyson,Ali,Foreman and even fighters such as Joe Louis who was way ahead of his time even though they could all beat Lewis I would have Lewis winning a best of 5 against every other single opponent. Lewis could adapt probably better than any other heavyweight in terms of fighting different styles and against great fighters he was always 100% focused not like against fighters he thought stood no chance thats the only reason they beat him because he got complacent.

[StarshipTrooper]

At the end of the day it only goes on what data was put into each program and the ratings given to each fighter are subjective.

Personally I can't see how in Title Bout II Lennox Lewis would only have 35 victories out of 100 fights against 20 opponents. Sure he would have some losses and I expect you and many others to disagree with what I'm about to say but I think Lennox would come out either 1st or 2nd. I mean I know when we normally compare fighters we try and put them in the same era with the same level of training etc, but these programs take them as the actual size and weight they really were. An at 6'5 with his speed and power and technical brilliance Lennox Lewis would demolish the vast majority and in the fights against more modern fighters like Tyson,Ali,Foreman and even fighters such as Joe Louis who was way ahead of his time even though they could all beat Lewis I would have Lewis winning a best of 5 against every other single opponent. Lewis could adapt probably better than any other heavyweight in terms of fighting different styles and against great fighters he was always 100% focused not like against fighters he thought stood no chance thats the only reason they beat him because he got complacent.

Well, the key is in TBII height and weight are not factored in: It's a completely level playing field as if they all were brought up and fighting in the same era. In other words it's much closer to the ideal I spoke of in earlier posts. Here is Lennox's complete record for the tournament:

Title Bout II

Lennox Lewis Vs Muhammed Ali 0-4-1 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Louis 1-4-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Jack Johnson 3-1-1 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Jack Dempsey 1-4-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Sonny Liston 1-4-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Rocky Marciano 0-5-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Larry Holmes 1-3-1 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Evander Holyfield 1-4-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs George Foreman 3-2-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Frazier 1-4-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Mike Tyson 0-5-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Harry Wills 2-3-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Peter Jackson 2-3-0 2KO
Lennox Lewis Vs George Godfrey 3-2-0 2KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Rid**** Bowe 1-4 0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Walcott 3-2-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Jeanette 4-1-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs James Jeffries 1-4-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs James Corbett 4-1-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Sam McVey 3-2-0 3KO
Total 35-62-3 26KO


Data Boxing

Lennox Lewis Vs Muhammed Ali 0-5-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Louis 3-2-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Jack Johnson 2-3-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Jack Dempsey 0-5-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Sonny Liston 5-0-0 4KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Rocky Marciano 5-0-0 4KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Larry Holmes 2-3-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Evander Holyfield 5-0-0 2KO
Lennox Lewis Vs George Foreman 5-0-0 4KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Frazier 1-4-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Mike Tyson 3-2-0 0KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Harry Wills 4-1-0 2KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Peter Jackson 4-0-1 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs George Godfrey 5-0-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Rid**** Bowe 5-0-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Walcott 5-0-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Joe Jeanette 5-0-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs James Jeffries 3-2-0 1KO
Lennox Lewis Vs James Corbett 3-2-0 3KO
Lennox Lewis Vs Sam McVey 5-0-0 0KO
Total 70-29-1 34KO