Floyd Mayweather Jr. in history

[Benny Leonard]

chavez tko'd Meldrick Taylor also

. not only that. the only fighter in boxing is a 51-0 UNDEFEATED. and is a mexican. and marciano who is WHITE is the 2nd boxer in history to retire UNDERFEATED. x 3

name me any black boxers in the history of boxing that retired underfeated.

Yes, but funny how people claim Mayweather fought nobody, doesn't stand toe to toe, and is "boring", yet people praise Willie Pep as one of the "Greatest." Marciano is hailed as top 5 by many, yet the main competition that was considered "elite" were fighters that were past their prime and had previously all lost many times and knocked out.

Hypocrisy

I look at it like this: Hatton and Cotto both backed down from Mayweather, which equates to a win for Mayweather.

Morales, Pac, and Barrera all (in my opinion) would lose to Mayweather, yet I wonder where all three of them rank.


I am actually glad Floyd said he "retired."
I hope he stays retired, lives a good life, and does something else productive
to keep him occupied to never step in the ring again. Forget the people that want you to stay until you have declined and get battered to death. Of course you will eventually lose if you stick around, many actually want and enjoy this; it makes you more "human."

You have to take as much away from boxing before it takes you.

[Jim_Davis]

It's easier to name white fighters that havent been beaten by black fighters than it is to name black fighters that havent been beaten by white fighters.

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at 140, i think pryor beats everyone

leaving lil floyd out of the picture for a second. would you pick pryor against duran? I know I would not. It is tempting, but I would not.

[me2007]

he'll be on the same page of boxing history as Sven Ottke.

[machotime]

SEE that what you jealous guys wants for floyd to get caught , because we black boxeras have been using you guys for punching bags for over 100 years of beating your tito failed, your duran failed, benitiz failed, de la hoya failed, cotto will failed to but not to zab judah another brother will beat him too, de la hoya the sissy was beat by mosley, hopkins, floyd and trinidad, though mexicans are the toughest latino they failed under the black kings of the ring be well ALLL stop HAting on the chosen

Duran failed? Tito failed? Delahoya failed? You obviously do not realize that the era in which we are in now does not exemplify the competition that boxing possesed in the time of the aboved mentioned names.

[machotime]

Yes, but funny how people claim Mayweather fought nobody, doesn't stand toe to toe, and is "boring", yet people praise Willie Pep as one of the "Greatest." Marciano is hailed as top 5 by many, yet the main competition that was considered "elite" were fighters that were past their prime and had previously all lost many times and knocked out.

Hypocrisy

I look at it like this: Hatton and Cotto both backed down from Mayweather, which equates to a win for Mayweather.
Morales, Pac, and Barrera all (in my opinion) would lose to Mayweather, yet I wonder where all three of them rank.


I am actually glad Floyd said he "retired."
I hope he stays retired, lives a good life, and does something else productive
to keep him occupied to never step in the ring again. Forget the people that want you to stay until you have declined and get battered to death. Of course you will eventually lose if you stick around, many actually want and enjoy this; it makes you more "human."

You have to take as much away from boxing before it takes you.

That is about the dumbest thing that is stated on this thread. Mayweather is boxing in a era which is not rich with talent like it was when mosely, trinidad, forrest, DLH, Vargas, JCC, and Whitaker were in their prime. It is so difficult for you guys to admit that Mayweather has fluffed his way to where he is. Unlike the above mentioned, Mayweather has not truly dominated a division since 2003.

At 140 he fought 3 "C" level fighters in Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti. At welter he fought more medicore fighters in Baldomir and Mitchell. Zab is the only above average fighter that he fought between 2003-2007. PBF dominated at 135 and 130, he did not however make his mark at 140, 147, and definately not 154.

What has Floyd Mayweather proved?

He has proved that boxing fans are dumb. They are dumb enough to buy his boring fights, dumb enough to actually believe that he has fought only the best, dumb enough to realize that PBF has protected himself from losing.

Respected resumes are those that exemplify superior adversaries, not the champs in the divisions, but the BEST in the divisions. PBF has failed to do this.

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That is about the dumbest thing that is stated on this thread. Mayweather is boxing in a era which is not rich with talent like it was when mosely, trinidad, forrest, DLH, Vargas, JCC, and Whitaker were in their prime. It is so difficult for you guys to admit that Mayweather has fluffed his way to where he is. Unlike the above mentioned, Mayweather has not truly dominated a division since 2003.

At 140 he fought 3 "C" level fighters in Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti. At welter he fought more medicore fighters in Baldomir and Mitchell. Zab is the only above average fighter that he fought between 2003-2007. PBF dominated at 135 and 130, he did not however make his mark at 140, 147, and definately not 154.

What has Floyd Mayweather proved?

He has proved that boxing fans are dumb. They are dumb enough to buy his boring fights, dumb enough to actually believe that he has fought only the best, dumb enough to realize that PBF has protected himself from losing.

Respected resumes are those that exemplify superior adversaries, not the champs in the divisions, but the BEST in the divisions. PBF has failed to do this.

JCC and Whitaker were both past their primes when Shane, Oscar , Tito were in theirs. you are talking two separate eras.

Or, by your logic, Shane, Oscar Tito are still in their primes.

your choice

[Benny Leonard]

That is about the dumbest thing that is stated on this thread. Mayweather is boxing in a era which is not rich with talent like it was when mosely, trinidad, forrest, DLH, Vargas, JCC, and Whitaker were in their prime. It is so difficult for you guys to admit that Mayweather has fluffed his way to where he is. Unlike the above mentioned, Mayweather has not truly dominated a division since 2003.

At 140 he fought 3 "C" level fighters in Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti. At welter he fought more medicore fighters in Baldomir and Mitchell. Zab is the only above average fighter that he fought between 2003-2007. PBF dominated at 135 and 130, he did not however make his mark at 140, 147, and definately not 154.

What has Floyd Mayweather proved?

He has proved that boxing fans are dumb. They are dumb enough to buy his boring fights, dumb enough to actually believe that he has fought only the best, dumb enough to realize that PBF has protected himself from losing.

Respected resumes are those that exemplify superior adversaries, not the champs in the divisions, but the BEST in the divisions. PBF has failed to do this.

Mayweather beat Castillo (when he was fighting at a high level) and Chico (when he was undefeated and untouched).

Moved up to 140, where nobody wanted to fight him, like HATTON, and maybe even Tszyu (although I am not exactly sure on that before he fought Hatton).

Arum made sure not to put Cotto in there with Mayweather. Is that Mayweather's fault? I think not.

So, both Hatton and Cotto have a loss to Mayweather. Mayweather wanted and tried to make the fights happen, they did not want it.


So even if you do not count him as a "5 weight division Champ", if he stayed down, do you think anybody could beat him?
Morales, who got schooled by Zahir; Barrera (who got knocked out by Pac); Pac (who almost lost to JMM); ?

If he beat those three, how would you rate him?


Who really is there that is an elite fighter for him to face that would give him legacy points?


WHERE DO YOU RANK MARCIANO?
If Mayweather is overrated, Marciano is as well.
If Marciano fought at least "good" fighters that out-weighed him by 15-30+ pounds, it might be differnt, but he did not.



Is Mayweather on Ray Robinson's level, NO. Mayweather is still good, and was incredible down at 130's.

[brian99]

I really dont think we can say where he's going down in history yet, because its almost a given he's not retiring. If he retired today, he'd go down as a great fighter, but I can guarantee you he wouldnt go down as the fighter of the generation over lewis, rjj, odlh, or hopkins. This is because he's never had any real memorable performances, doesnt have a crowd-pleasing style, and hasnt faced quite the opposition hopkins or odlh has.

[Brassangel]

Potentials, assuming he doesn't retire:

Mayweather's next fight should be a rematch with De La Hoya, simply because the public would be interested. Oscar would probably keep the jab going all through the fight, and Mayweather would be a little more comfortable at his new weight. It would be more exciting than the first (which may even entice a III).

After that, it's a matter of whether or not he stays junior middle/welter. A fight with Shane Mosley would draw a big audience, though I don't think that PBF would fare well in this one, thus he would avoid it. Or, DLH 2 could possibly be followed by a meeting with Miguel Cotto (finally). That would be huge if both fighters were unbeaten champs.

Looking ahead, he may even fight Cory Spinks depending on how Spinks does against Taylor.

If he managed 3 more big name wins, he would probably bump up his own all-time greatness. Especially given that these are exciting opponents who would force Mayweather to do a little more in the ring.

Even if he fought 5-6 more times before truly retiring, and lost a fight or two in there, it would probably help him more than anything; especially since every fight from now on will be against huge names.