Greatest Trainer of All Time IMO

[CletusVanDamme]

Forget Futch (he never really created a guy from scratch). This man below was a sculpter taking a raw lump of Clay and making him a Animal in the ring. He took little to work with and his knowledge created a legend.

Born Israel Goldman in Warsaw, Poland in 1888, Charlie Goldman grew up in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. He fought his first pro bout at the age of fifteen in 1904. A tough but smart little brawler at just over five feet in height, Goldman's smashed nose and deformed features were a tribute to a lifetime of toughness. Charlie Goldman never won a championship in ten years of fighting professionally. Charlie did, however, learn the subtle art of boxing. Goldman quit fighting in 1914 and suddenly became a trainer. He trained his first world champion with a year - and is considered one of the greatest cornermen in history. He trained the all-star trio of lightweight champ Lou Ambers, welterweight king Marty Servo, and featherweight titleholder Joey Archibald. Goldman also worked the corners of Kid Gavilan, Fritzie Zivic and Oscar Bonavena. Among all his accomplishments, Charlie Goldman's greatest creation was that creature from nowhere Rocky Marciano. Goldman transformer Marciano from a laughably clumsy brawler into undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. Perhaps the greatest trainer of all time, Charlie Goldman retired from boxing after six meritorious decades.

[phallus]

Forget Futch (he never really created a guy from scratch). This man below was a sculpter taking a raw lump of Clay and making him a Animal in the ring. He took little to work with and his knowledge created a legend.

Born Israel Goldman in Warsaw, Poland in 1888, Charlie Goldman grew up in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. He fought his first pro bout at the age of fifteen in 1904. A tough but smart little brawler at just over five feet in height, Goldman's smashed nose and deformed features were a tribute to a lifetime of toughness. Charlie Goldman never won a championship in ten years of fighting professionally. Charlie did, however, learn the subtle art of boxing. Goldman quit fighting in 1914 and suddenly became a trainer. He trained his first world champion with a year - and is considered one of the greatest cornermen in history. He trained the all-star trio of lightweight champ Lou Ambers, welterweight king Marty Servo, and featherweight titleholder Joey Archibald. Goldman also worked the corners of Kid Gavilan, Fritzie Zivic and Oscar Bonavena. Among all his accomplishments, Charlie Goldman's greatest creation was that creature from nowhere Rocky Marciano. Goldman transformer Marciano from a laughably clumsy brawler into undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. Perhaps the greatest trainer of all time, Charlie Goldman retired from boxing after six meritorious decades.

i agree with u, but marciano had a lot of raw talent, so i'd say the from nothing part is a little harsh. it's more like he saw rocky's talent when no one else did

[ianwigley]

Greatest trainer of all time - Joe Goossen for

1) remaining ice cool in the corner when there's 30,000 people yelling and screaming around him.

2) For wearing ****ing cool shirts in the corner.

3) For putting up with Diego Coralles for any longer than a round or two!

Just to put a different spin on things...

Ian

[Toddy]

Forget Futch (he never really created a guy from scratch). This man below was a sculpter taking a raw lump of Clay and making him a Animal in the ring. He took little to work with and his knowledge created a legend.

Born Israel Goldman in Warsaw, Poland in 1888, Charlie Goldman grew up in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. He fought his first pro bout at the age of fifteen in 1904. A tough but smart little brawler at just over five feet in height, Goldman's smashed nose and deformed features were a tribute to a lifetime of toughness. Charlie Goldman never won a championship in ten years of fighting professionally. Charlie did, however, learn the subtle art of boxing. Goldman quit fighting in 1914 and suddenly became a trainer. He trained his first world champion with a year - and is considered one of the greatest cornermen in history. He trained the all-star trio of lightweight champ Lou Ambers, welterweight king Marty Servo, and featherweight titleholder Joey Archibald. Goldman also worked the corners of Kid Gavilan, Fritzie Zivic and Oscar Bonavena. Among all his accomplishments, Charlie Goldman's greatest creation was that creature from nowhere Rocky Marciano. Goldman transformer Marciano from a laughably clumsy brawler into undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. Perhaps the greatest trainer of all time, Charlie Goldman retired from boxing after six meritorious decades.

actually i never knew much about the man. that was pretty interesting cheers mate

[CletusVanDamme]

Greatest trainer of all time - Joe Goossen for

1) remaining ice cool in the corner when there's 30,000 people yelling and screaming around him.

2) For wearing ****ing cool shirts in the corner.

3) For putting up with Diego Coralles for any longer than a round or two!

Just to put a different spin on things...

Ian

Goosen is very underrated as a trainer. He took two skinny Mexican immigrants in the Ruelas brothers and guided them from Amatuer to a World Championship for both. That is quite an accomplishment. To have both so long and make them both champs.

[butterfly1964]

i agree with u, but marciano had a lot of raw talent, so i'd say the from nothing part is a little harsh. it's more like he saw rocky's talent when no one else did

Just power and that's it.

[CletusVanDamme]

Just power and that's it.

He was tough also but that was about it I agree. No balance until Goldman got the Rock. Marciano was a fanatic about training and that made his career what it was.

[American_Ninja]

How about Ray Arcel. He trained Roberto Duran. Not half bad for an old timer.

[Underboss]

angelo dundee for me it's the greatest.

[CletusVanDamme]

How about Ray Arcel. He trained Roberto Duran. Not half bad for an old timer.

This is merely a choice by me, but you can't go wrong with Arcel who I would still rank over Futch. Chickie Ferrara and Whitey Bimstein were top guys also. Below is a little about Arcel.

Ray Arcel trained 20 World Boxing Champions—his first in 1923 and his fighters won World titles. In 1982, he became the first of only two trainers elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame. At one time, Arcel teamed with Whitey Bimstein to form the most successful training tandem in boxing.

Ray handled more than 2,000 fighters during his 70-year career in the ring, and none of them was ever seriously hurt. His World Champions are: Frankie Genaro (Flyweight, 1923), Abe Goldstein (Bantamweight, 1924), Charlie Phil Rosenberg (Bantamweight, 1925), Jackie “Kid” Berg (Welterweight, 1930), Lou Brouillard (Middleweight, 1933), Teddy Yarosz (Middleweight, 1934), Barney Ross (Lightweight, 1933, and Welterweight, 1934), Sixto Escobar (Bantamweight, 1934), Bob Olin (Light-Heavyweight, 1934), James J. Braddock (Heavyweight, 1934), Tony Marino (Bantamweight, 1936), Freddie Steele (Middleweight, 1937), Ceferino Garcia (Middleweight, 1939), Billy Soose (Middleweight, 1941), Tony Zale (Middleweight, 1946), Ezzard Charles (Heavyweight, 1950), Kid Gavilan (Welterweight, 1951), Roberto Duran (Lightweight, 1972, and Welterweight, 1980), and Larry Holmes (Heavyweight, 1982).

Champions Barney Ross, Tony Zale, Ezzard Charles, Jackie Berg, Sixto Escobar, Frankie Genaro, Ceferino Garcia, and Kid Gavilan are in The Ring ****zine’s Boxing Hall of Fame. Berg, Ross, and Charley Phil Rosenberg are in the International ***ish Sports Hall of Fame. Arcel was elected to The Ring ****zine’s Boxing Hall of Fame in 1982 and most recent in 1982. In 1934, five of his the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991.